The Artwork of Brian Kliewer

The Artwork of Brian Kliewer

Marketing Art On The Internet, Part 1


About The Auctions...

 

Up until three or four  years ago I hadn't really done much work smaller than 8"x10."   For the most part, I started doing pieces 6"x8" and smaller about when the economy "tanked."  But my thinking wasn't so much to generate sales in a "down economy" as much as  to use these paintings for the World Wide Web, as a way of getting my work seen by a broader audience.  The thinking was working smaller would naturally allow lower prices - which in turn would provide more buyers collectors and 'word of mouth' advertising.    I had received many requests for smaller paintings over the years, since I do not offer reproductions.  In that sense, they became my answer to "Giclee" reproductions, and limited edition prints, etc.  So this is more or less how I came to start doing them.

 

When I did start doing these paintings, I made it clear to my galleries that anything smaller than 8"x10" was "my" territory; that I would be free to use paintings in these sizes for special promotions, etc.   If a gallery wants to show some here and there, that's fine.  But I still have my option of using them for myself for special promotions on the Internet.   And that's what I'm doing.  

 

But What If....

 

...horror of horrors....a painting posted for auction doesn't even get a bid?!   Have you been watching artists on eBay?  I've seen many paintings there with nary a view, let alone a bid.  This wasn't a big concern, however.  If those worries were too much for me, I never would have tried this.   It's really been about feedback...to see if it could work.  So far, I'd have to say that it has.  And here's one point about it that might not be obvious... I've really been doing this before a small "focus group," if you will.   My email list isn't huge, but I have some loyal supporters.  One of the original goals was to determine how many people were actually reading the newsletters.  And if you visit my site from the front page, you wouldn't even know these auctions were taking place at all.  This was another part of the test...to see how many are following my blog or checking it out to begin with. 

 

The "Good" of a Bad Economy

 

Many artists have taken up smaller work as a direct result of the poor economic situation.  "Daily painters" are everywhere on the Internet as a result.    I tried it myself with my "100 Paintings In 100 Days" project.  That lasted long enough for me to realize it's not for me.  That kind of painting, especially working so small day in and day out, can turn the whole thing into a chore.  That's not what painting is about for me.  So what's the "Good" of a bad economy?  It's given me a different perspective on things.  The way I work, what's important to me, etc., while at the same time, it has opened up a "window of popportunity" for those who would like to own original artwork...one that might not have existed otherwise.  With respect to changing my perspective...  It's also made me realize that I want to get more out of my work, and I do by trying to put more into it!  

 

Will I continue to work so small?  Frankly, I don't see it as a permanent course as I prefer to work larger.  The older I get, the more challenging working so small becomes...  if you know what I mean. ∞  Yes, I have to put my glasses on these days.  I also find that working small brings additional challenges philosophically, compositionally/technichally as well as physically.  Due to these factors, I decided to put the "boundaries" on my small paintings with galleries as I did.   For the most part, I can only work this small for myself.  If I thought I'd have to provide galleries with these small painting on a regular basis, I think I'd throw in the towel. 

 

So, in this sense I guess I could say there's really never been a better time to buy my artwork than right now and there may never be again.  This might sound like "hype" but it's actually true thanks in large part to the Internet and the nature of the situation as it stands.

 

Without Social Media?

 

I also have a major project planned.   The goal will be to disprove the notion that you can't market artwork on the web without social media.  I believe you can.  In fact, I know it's possible.   This will be a month to month process once it's underway.  If it works as I believe it can, I should have some real results that will prove my theory true. 

 

I have another post on this subject in the works.  I'll post it when it's ready.

 

31 Responses to Marketing Art On The Internet, Part 1

mary Collins
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi Brian,
Am enjoying your new work and your thoughts!

Mary

Brian
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Thank you, Mary. Very much appreciated.

Judy Palermo
via kliewerstudio.com
Hello Brian- maybe you remember me, when I began painting about 3 years ago I was a regular reader of your blog, and when I wrote you always gave helpful advice on paint handling etc. Well I've kept at it all this time (I know, it's like a drop in the bucket), and I'm happy to say I'm still a loyal reader, and am glad you are back to more regular blog writing.
I'm one of those Ebay painters now; there's really no choice, I don't really have a gallery, and assume I'm just not ready for that yet. But the web's a good way to get exposure,
and to 'test the waters'. I have regular dialogue with many of you experienced painters online too, so I learn a lot!
I've had enough Ebay and Etsy sales to give me courage to continue this difficult trade; when a complete stranger pays real money for my work it's the biggest boost! My prices are quite modest, but I figure I'm really a nobody trying to grow, and that when my work sells they are paying me to practice.
But you're right- it's awful when nobody bids on the art, then when you get one bid you feel bad that you got only one bid! All that crazy self-berating reminds me how tough Art is, and that I'd better grow a thick skin.
But from this modest exposure I've gotten some commissions, and more public experience. I still have enough times where my paintings get no bids, but no matter what I know I'm improving, and will keep at it.
Sorry this is going on so long, but I've always learned from your blog, and I'm glad to read your perspective on the internet.

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi Judy. I got your message! :)

Just kidding with you, I'll delete the duplicates.

Yes, eBay can work and many artists do use it. But as strange as it may sound, my choice NOT to use it is due to my marketing plans.

I left Facebook for much of the same reasons. Odd again, I know...but there is a "method" to the madness. One artist friend on FB said, "it's a numbers game." I couldn't DISAGREE more. I'll explain that in my upcoming post.

Thanks for sticking with me!

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
By the way, Judy, you're doing some very nice work. Keep it up!

Marjorie Ball
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Thank you for being so generous with your thoughts about your art, and the marketing process. It's been very interesting to me, since I have been painting all my life, and still have not gotten up the courage to even ask a gallery to show my work.
Recently, I also have been fooling around with the idea of the internet, making a facebook page, looking around to see what others, like you, are doing. It is so helpful that you are willing to share your experiences.

I look forward to your continued blogs, love your paintings, and value your insights.

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Thanks, Marjorie. I appreicate it.

I actually have a new FB fan page set up...well, started. But I don't know if I'll publish it or not. One thing I won't do is open another profile there. That didn't work for me.

FB and all social media can be soooo time consuming. If I ever do it again, it will be at a much slower pace without "friending" or following everyone in sight. That approach didn't work for me...just ended up taking me away from my art more than anything.



Judy Palermo
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi again Brian- thanks for checking out my blog, and thinking I'm making some decent progress. I intend to keep working hard!
Also sorry for all those dups- the site kept saying 'could not submit- please try again'. So I did, over and over! I'll remember that for next time.
Judy

Bob Ragland
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Good column Brian.
I paint small works on a regular basis. I have other things to do, so the small works give me time to do other stuff. I also get to sell to beginners.
I sell person to person, I want to meet the people
who buy my work. I do home shows with my" Shoe Box"
paintings. I sell enough of them to build a nice slush fund. I like to have cash.
You can see me on You Tube.
Cheers,
Bob Ragland

Brian Kliewer
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Thank you, Bob.

There are many approaches to marketing art on the web and elsewhere. Some good, some not so good. I think it's up to each artist to figure what's best for him/herself and go with it, whatever "it" is.

Ellen Walton
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi Brian, Your article was very timely. I'm at the beginning stages of putting into effect different marketing ideas and interested in what works and does not work. I was a successful real estate agent and did a lot of marketing. I'm trying to see if some of the things I did in real estate will be as effective when my product is my art. I'm also looking at marketing as a fun endeavor and meeting new people. Looking forward to your next article on the results of marketing without using social media. Would love to hear of what others are doing. Maybe selling art is like real estate where 20 percent of all the agents are doing the selling.

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Thank you, Ellen. We'll see if my idea works or not. I think it will, or will at least get my work "seen" as I want it to be.

"Social Media" (networking) is too much of a "spray and pray" approach in my opinion. While it offers the appearance of targeted marketing, it lacks in much of its delivery. That's been my experience, anyway.

I read somewhere that only about 10 percent of Facebook updates ever get seen by FB friends and fans. With so many people and businesses on it, that doesn't surprise me at all. It's becoming a blur.

Patty
via painter63.fineartstudioonline.com
Thank you for this article I will be following york experiment closely. I would like to do this, too.

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Thank you, Patty.

I'm trying to "whittle down" my next post...it is kind of long and will have to be, I'm afraid. I just don't want it to be too long. Useful info, though, I think.

I'll post it as soon as I can.

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi Again Brian,
Keep up the good thoughts.
The art life requires constant
maintenance.
I treat marketing just like I do a work of art.
I developed my own marketing skill set early in my art career. I paid off my home/studio by art.
I did a Bogo sale years ago. Retired my mortgage in three days. I have traveled by selling art futures.
Three trips to Jamaica.
We artists have to be inventive to have a working
art life.

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
That's pretty good, Bob, and I couldn't agree more!

Applying that same kind of "creativity" to marketing is what it's all about.

I just listened to a piece on you on NPR. That was pretty cool!



Theresa Grillo Laird
via kliewerstudio.com
Hi Brian. I'm very interested in your project to market without social media. I've had a profile page for 2 years and a fan page that is partially set up. Learning how to best do these things and then taking care of their daily maintainence takes a huge chunk out of painting time.I'm looking forward to your continued comments.

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
I feel that direct action by us artists needs to be part of our game plan. The internet is only part of the marketing scheme.
I would not reley on social media to sell my work.
I do as much face to face as I can. I mail snail mail to the people , I want to cultivate.The cliche is, every artist has their way,it's true.
Old school methods partnered with technology can lead to good results.
Google-One artist's Secret To Success.
See Artlife1 also.

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
Guerrilla marketing matters!!!!!
I read business books all the time, I am always
searching for ways to open and close on sales of my work.Remember ABC-always be closing.
Marketing is like making a work of art, in my experience.Pay attention to artists who are getting paid. I am a working class artist,who has invented some basic nuts and bolts ways to get my work sold.
I am a maverick, I do my own selling. I am not breaking any records, but I am mortgage free, no debt that I cant pay by art. I have data that I can pass on.

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
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Brian Kliewer
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Well, here I'm talking specifically about the Internet - nothing else. That's what this post is about.

If I can get past the flu, I'll get this done. I saw a peice on the news about how it's reached Maine. No kidding.

Brian Kliewer
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I'll get part 2 of this post done, that is.

Barney Davey
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Hi Brian,From your email to me, I knew I struck a nerve in my post mentioning my frustration with social media. It made me come here to read your thoughts, which I found insightful and instructive. I can't wait to read the follow up post.
Happy New Year!

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Thanks, Barney....and thank you for your comment, too, Theresa. I missed it before. Sorry.

I'll try to get that second post up as soon as I can. It is going to be long as I explain why I left social media and how I'm going to approach things instead. But between editing and battling computer problems and the flu, it's taking longer than I had hoped. I'll get it!

Roxanne Steed
via kliewerstudio.com
Thanks for posting these thoughts Brian. I've been frustrated with the time I waste on FB. I've found it useful (if I stick to my initial purpose), but I find that I am very frequently dinking around on it - wasting good sweet time while just across the room my easel is calling to me (feeling neglected for the moment!).

Roxanne Steed
via kliewerstudio.com
Of course...now that that's said... sometimes I think we need to "give ourselves permission" to just GOOF OFF! But of course, not everyday....FB can be a huge comfort on days like today (my brother passed away this morning, not much work getting done, attending to necessities only...and yes, getting a hug across the miles from FB friends.)It does narrow the miles when you've spent a lifetime in a transient career (military family).

Brian Kliewer
via kliewerstudio.com
Well, with all my ranting, I actually do agree that social media has its place...and to me, this is it...for connecting with old friends and family that have moved away. I think that's where it shines. I'm sorry for your loss, Roxanne, and here's another hug!

Maybe when you're ready you'll be able to put your feelings in one of your "Peoplescapes". I had to use my art as an outlet after my mother died.

I wish you all the best!

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
Making the work should be at the top of ones list.
FB is OK, if you are in charge.
For every hour you are on FB.
Draw something, paint something.
Time never sleeps.
Real artists make art, no matter what.

Bob Ragland
via kliewerstudio.com
Every work you make is a deposit to you art bank.
No work made, it's a withdrawal.
Every work, good, bad indifferent.
Just do it!!!!!!!

Anne Bevan
via kliewerstudio.com
Hello Brian,
I'm coming in late since I just signed up today and have been spending some time looking around FASO and following whatever looks interesting. I'm so glad I found you and your blog - I'm especially enjoying the interchange between you and Bob Ragland and so pleased to see one of my all time favorite www heros, Barney Davey joining in.
It's a joy to see your beautiful work and thank you for sharing your adventures in marketing - (I'm going back to read part 2 now)
Annie
(nothing on FASO yet, but I have dabbled on a Facebook page - facebook.com/AnneBevanStudio if you are curious.)



Brian Kliewer
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Thank you, Anne.

If you read through my comments on each post, you might see a rather harsh treatment of Facebook. I know many think it's wonderful but I don't think it's very good for marketing, not without buying ad space, that is. For chumming around with other artists it's ok... but beyond that, nope. In one comment I even referred to it as a "sham." I'll tell you why I said that...

Everything there is geared toward its advertisers. Everything...even things that "appear" to be useful to its users. It's all designed to get a person to release info that can be used by marketers...so that THEY can sell to YOU! If you want to buy ads there, then that's one thing. I didn't sign up for that.

I particularly resented the "upgrades." For the most part, I thought they were lousy anyway. But when I discovered what happens/happened with each major upgrade, I was really put out. Just prior to one of them, I had "liked" quite a few pages, including Alyson Stanfield's (Art Biz Coach). There were others as well. When the upgrade went into effect, FB restored the "default" setting, which is/was..."view only those pages and friends you interact with most." I kept wondering where Alyson went. For nearly 3 months I had no clue that her page was being hidden from me by FB. Then I discovered what was going on and found a whole world of folks and pages that were being hidden from me. This is a service??

There are other things as well. Shoddy upgrades and poor treatment of its users pushed me away from it. Many artists were using the "Networked Blogs" app. Then FB started to aggregate those posts. That made things "tidier." And it also made those posts harder to find. But if you manually posted without using the app, then the posts would appear separately, and were easier to find. That's what FB wanted. But why would they care? If you have to post "manually" then the ads are going to be in front of your face! They try to get people addicted to it and force them to be ON the site. See? This is why I say they care about their marketers and not their users.

These are just my opinions and I'm not telling anyone to leave. I just think there are better ways of doing it. I know I can do better without it.

Stay with FASO. I think you'll like it. I've been using it for going on 7 years. It's getting better all the time!











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